Rev Rachel & Rich: How Two Recovered Alcoholics Rebuilt a Safe Marriage through Soul Recovery

After 32 years together, Rich and I open our hearts to share the profound transformation of our relationship—a journey shaped by Soul Recovery, parenting through addiction, and rediscovering true partnership. As we celebrate Rich’s one-year sobriety anniversary, we reflect on the subtle yet powerful shifts that have deepened our connection, moving away from control and quick fixes to create a foundation of safety where vulnerability can thrive. Rich shares how learning to truly listen and express his needs has allowed us to heal individually while growing closer together, revealing the beautiful paradox that the more we focus on our own soul recovery, the stronger our relationship becomes. We also explore the wisdom gained from supporting our adult children, navigating family complexities, and facing life’s challenges with presence instead of numbing. This conversation is a testament to the power of Soul Recovery—not just for individuals, but for partnerships—and offers hope, insight, and encouragement for anyone seeking deeper connection and healing in their relationships.

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Chapters

• 1:15 Cultivating Partnership and Healing
• 5:44 One Year Sober Anniversary
• 8:55 The Journey to Soul Recovery
• 14:56 Creating Safety in Relationships
• 23:42 Navigating Family Challenges
• 29:25 Finding Peace at Home
• 33:20 Embracing Life's Grit and Growth

Transcript

Rev Rachel Harrison: 1:02

Allowing a partnership to grow and to heal takes a lot of work on all sides. Today's episode is a conversation with me and my husband, Rich, and we talk about the growth that's happened in our own relationship. It's such an opportunity for us to step more fully not only into how we can show up for others, but how we can heal ourselves and, after 32 years of marriage both being recovered alcoholics, raising kids who are addicts and ADHD going through incredibly difficult years and coming out the other side is not luck. It's from hard work, it's from soul recovery and this is an episode about us sharing that experience together. There's always hope, but the hope is that we find peace within ourselves and in that internal peace and that internal healing, we can share it in relationship with the other. Enjoy the episode.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 1:55

Welcome to the Recover your Soul podcast a spiritual path to a happy and healthy life. My name is Rev Rachel Harrison. I started Recover your Soul after having profound changes in my life from my recovery of alcoholism, codependency and control addiction. I was guided to share the tools and principles of spirituality and soul recovery to help others transform their lives as mine was transformed. For us to overcome external circumstances, we need to turn the attention to ourselves, focusing on our inner change and healing, Positive results in our lives will follow. Welcome to Recover your Soul. I'm Rev Rachel and thank you for joining me for the Recover your Soul podcast and being part of the Recover your Soul community. We are here, indeed, to do the work to be okay when everyone around us may or may not be okay, and that's a wild ride of a journey, and I am honored and privileged to be sitting here today in my living room drinking morning coffee with my sweet husband Rich. Hi, Good morning, Good morning. Thanks for coming on to the podcast again.

Rich Harrison: 3:05

With my coffee.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 3:06

With your coffee.

Rich Harrison: 3:06

My pleasure.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 3:07

My coffee talk. So you were asking me well, what do we want to talk about? And there's a bazillion things for us to talk about. So it's been. I think the last time you were on the podcast was last fall, after we had our little awakening.

Rich Harrison: 3:21

Time flies.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 3:22

Time flies and here we are in March, so I'm first going to start by saying happy one-year sober anniversary, rich.

Rich Harrison: 3:28

Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it went really fast.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 3:31

Yeah, how does that feel for you?

Rich Harrison: 3:33

Excellent, because I guess at this point I can say I've been virtually as my word or California sober for it's been a long time, you know, ever since your seven years, plus some. You know some bouts of good short-term sobriety when you add it all up, but to have the clean record of finally recovered a year again is nice.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 4:00

Yeah, it is good. It is good and it's interesting, because you and I have that story about going into that particular psychiatrist when I was pregnant with Alex, who told us we were alcoholics and if we had just listened to her then so that was nearly well 28 years ago. 28 years ago, that's nuts, it is nuts, so congratulations.

Rich Harrison: 4:19

Thank you On a year. You are a great help and influence on me and I love you dearly and you have helped me do it.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 4:28

Well, let's talk about that. So if our, our audience, if our community members are people who have people in their lives who are working on their own sobriety journeys, talk a little bit more about what has been helpful to you in that, maybe places that I've done something different that allowed you to make a longer stride of decision for yourself.

Rich Harrison: 4:51

It's. I think it's, um, what you haven't done it's. It's it's more subtle, it's it's not a fixing or it's not a. You got to do this or else it's not a. I'm doing this and you need to do it too. You know we have to choose for ourselves, and I think just more of a deep understanding of love and support and consistency that you've brought through Recover your Soul and through your seven years it's just incredible.

Rich Harrison: 5:28

It's been that long is the environment in which I was able to stop having that little glitch of well, just finally, I'm just finally there. I mean, my early sobriety was really great because it was about choosing to be an athlete or a drinker. That was my reason. Then I I started playing music and I think that's mostly the trigger that you know I'd be out and I'd have a couple of NA beers and then I'd be like, ah, screw it, I'm going to have a real one. And then there was also blended in this sort of um loneliness for that answer that I always had. I mean, my whole life was drinking to celebrate or drinking when I felt good, um, drinking with almost anything, and I went back to I don't know how to describe it perfectly. It's like a reaching back to rediscover that, that little piece of feel good, that euphoric youth. That was the last piece.

Rich Harrison: 6:39

And and um. We've been talking about my relapse journey here in the past, been talking about my relapse journey here in the past, what your, your seven years or what I've lost count whatever.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 6:52

Um, basically, basically for four years, because it was three years in that you came to me and said well, I actually haven't been totally sober, so yeah it's been a, it's been a ride, but I want to give you total credit rich, because I've said this in the podcast before, if you were drinking it would be a very different thing, but it was this it was experimenting.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 7:12

It was this continued kind of you know, I just have a beer here or sort of out in the world having having stuff, and I think the hard part for me was that it would be like that you weren't telling me.

Rich Harrison: 7:26

Yeah.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 7:26

Right. The hard part for me was that it would be like that you weren't telling me, yeah Right, that it was a year had gone by, and so then a trust situation came up. But what I want to give you credit for throughout all of it, a hundred percent, is really that you have been on a soul recovery journey this entire time. So just because you're a year completely free of drinking is not the marker of soul recovery. You have been doing this work of trying to really heal and it's not soul recovery like I'm teaching soul recovery. You're not doing the nine steps like I've laid out, but you're doing it in your own path.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 8:04

So in that space, you know, people often say, well, you've stayed with Rich and so I want to stay with my spouse because I see what you've done. But you have done so much work to really heal a lot of yourself, and my ask has always been to be on a spiritual journey of your own making. So I just want to give you credit that you are indeed doing that, and I think that's what makes it so that we can be here today really encouraging each other to be our fullest selves, and it isn't that one person's doing all the work and the other person isn't.

Rich Harrison: 8:41

I think we're crediting each other, because I think I alluded to this coming in in the conversation and I'll say it in this way that I feel very lucky and grateful just to be your husband and to have the environment and the increasing safety and natural experience and expression and development of our soul recovery. So I'm lucky to have you and and I I feel for those out there that um are kind of alone in in in the journey Um, so I think you and I have a unique situation. We've been through very tough things together. We almost didn't make it. We um have had challenging portions of of this work and we've just made it to a good place here. You know I don't intend to sabotage that anymore. That's nice.

Rich Harrison: 9:44

You know it's so easy to self-sabotage and it's so bloody easy and, uh, I just I think I'm I'm done with that. You know, I did these little bouts of self-sabotage and um and it and, like you say, it erodes trust. It doesn't even have to be a big thing, it can be subtle, but have a not so great, you know, a little nasty hook in it.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 10:07

Yeah, I think safety I talk a lot about the difference between trust and safety Like trust has this element that says I need you to do what I want you to do for me to feel okay, which has a control level in it.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 10:24

Which has a control level in it.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 10:25

And safety to me is something that I remember when we were, when we first got sober and had our friend that was having was meetings with us and teaching us how to actually talk to each other without pointing the finger so much or not listening, and she gave us all these great tools on that and she really used the word safety that we didn't have safety in our relationship, and that's been really important to me to differentiate between the trust and safety, because safety is really fundamental in being able to be really engaged in your relationship in a way where you can be vulnerable, you can be open, you can really allow yourself to lean in in ways that make you feel like that person's.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 11:04

Your rock, you know, is that you need to feel safe in that space. Otherwise, we're in the fight or flight all the time, and I think that's the value of what you and I have is that we've been working diligently on that for a long time now and when we had our little blip last fall, one of the things that I think was interesting about it was that we were looking actually at a deeper level of do we really feel safe here? Are we really digging in? And you were the one that actually brought up in a conversation in the car. You'd gone to therapy a couple times and then you were willing to have a tough conversation and say you know what?

Rev Rachel Harrison: 11:40

I'm raising my hand and recognizing I don't feel a hundred percent safe here, and that allowed us to move into more conversations and continue to work on our journey together.

Rich Harrison: 11:51

Do you want to reflect on that I think you have to give a lot in a relationship for safety. I think that the natural position can be well me me. I want to feel safe. What does it take to make me feel safe? Give me some. You need to do something to make me feel safe. I think in the end I learned I'm emotional. It's the weirdest thing. I love it.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 12:20

I love it that your the weirdest thing. I love it.

Rich Harrison: 12:22

I love it, just a couple of words that mean something to me all of a sudden trigger my emotions, which don't even come out that easy normally. I learned that I needed to give you true listening, as well as my requests, my needs. I needed to say what my needs were, but I needed to give, give, give, that I needed to learn how to get to a higher place and open the space in a giving, compassionate, empathic. All of the above way to get the results that I need, to get the safety.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 12:57

And I appreciate that. I love that your heart comes and that your tears come. It's so beautiful. That part of you that developed even richer in the time after that conversation and then you started working with a therapist really has brought us to another level, and I would say that since then, our ability to have difficult conversations and move into deeper levels has really exponentially improved.

Rich Harrison: 13:26

And so if I can get off my emotion train right here and talk, I think it's also when I came to you and I said, rach, there is a grit in life that I need to talk about and historically we, I'll just say as a family, didn't want to go back and reference the past. I struggled with that because it's like, well, you got to reference it and acknowledge the grit so that we can make progress, and my goal was always to say, hey, we're doing better because we're doing the work. Um, we may, maybe we were here and it's gritty and it's hard, but all the love that we always had in our family, thank God, it won out, even with our kids. I mean, it's so cool to see four addicts make it.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 14:19

And there's still grit. I mean, I think that the thing that's so interesting, um, you know, we went to. We went to california. We were there for the birth of rocky, our grandson. It was a complicated birth. You were there for part of the time. I was there for the rest of the time. Alex shared some of his you know, a lot of emotion was coming up for him because it's a big deal.

Rich Harrison: 14:44

Around me right.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 14:45

Right, dad, you know, yeah, process it in a healthy way and share with each other what was going on, without defensiveness, without judgment, and to be curious in a way that gave so much safety around it. And that's for me, that's the hugest success, because life is going to continue to be complicated.

Rich Harrison: 15:15

And we can expand on that a little bit. Alex and I have like deep love, but a very unresolved relationship, almost an undeveloped relationship. And then he has a grandson and I think there's a lot of opportunity and glorious love and opportunity yet to come, but it just feels like there's a lot of potential to build it in for he and I. It's a great opportunity around our beautiful grandson. So there's that. There's things to be done with Alex and I big time, and it used to be the issue between you and I that would result in the most strain. And then I want to open this up for you. I don't know how much you want to share, but then you come home from the trip, right, and you're loaded. You came home loaded In the past. That would be scary. That could just so easily light a match on the kerosene between you and I. But I felt like I was in a good spot to receive you and then I turn it over to you. I mean you could talk about it.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 16:26

Yeah, you did a beautiful job and that was, and that was that place that you're talking about, about learning how to really hold space for me for you to step in and hold space for me was so beautiful and it and it gives me safety. It goes back to the safety. It's like one of the things that your therapist had you read was a book about masculine, feminine right, what is healthy masculine to step into, and and it gave you more information, I think, and it gave us some interesting information about when I step into my masculine you know when I'm, when I compete with you in that space, but it allowed us to stop competing somewhere and so when I got off the airplane and I was just so filled with all these thoughts and feelings and everything, and to really be received by you, to hear me in that situation gave me that safety, you know, to really feel like you are my rock, and I want that so much and that's something that I think that we've developed in our relationship, because we both want it so bad, but it wasn't there for so long. You know, like one of your things that you've come to me is that the fear of my leaving, you know, is such a painful pain point to you and I think I have a fear of you not being there for me.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 17:51

And so when we really look at as human beings, on this wild ride of our earth, earth school, you know, earth journey that we're. We're in it, learning and growing from each other, and that's the healthy place. It doesn't mean that it's perfect, it doesn't mean that it always works out just right, it doesn't mean it isn't without conflict, but it means that we're more and more conscious of how to be in a more healed state so that we can allow each other to individually do the work. So when we're in the car and you're just allowing me, you're receiving me and I was totally filled with all of my emotions and I was able to tell you. You know about what I was scared of, or you know what Alex had reflected, and you received it so beautifully.

Rich Harrison: 18:39

You also didn't turn it into a grand. The sky is falling, freaking explosion. Our, our family is doomed.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 18:47

We're succeeding. Look at us, we're doing it.

Rich Harrison: 18:50

Which historically you know, like blows up into something bigger and that's what I used to resist so bad. I'm like then that would just throw me off and yeah, we're just doing so much better.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 19:03

So much better and, I think, ultimately my awareness of what soul recovery offers. And again, what I love is that you're not doing, you don't have to do the nine-step soul recovery process to have success.

Rich Harrison: 19:16

I intend to. I've just been letting you do your thing and time flies. I just cannot believe that it's seven years for you technically and one for me, and within that time I've just been enjoying watching you flourish and do your thing and I'm almost kind of like intentionally keeping myself on the sidelines out of humility or whatever the heck it is. I don't like a ton of limelight, but I intend to. I intend to journey down the nine steps here.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 19:46

Well, when the book comes out, you can read the book.

Rich Harrison: 19:49

There you go, there you go. I'll do it with the book.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 19:52

Yeah, are you ready to step into your soul recovery? Visit the website recoveryoursoulnet to learn more about the nine-step soul recovery process. I hope that you'll join us the first Monday of every month for the free soul recovery support group on Zoom, where we learn more about soul recovery and connect with each other. If you'd like to work directly with me to move through the nine-step soul recovery process, I'm here for you, but you can also choose to work the steps on your own, with individual modules intended to support you to work at your own pace and on your own time.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 21:35

And if you want even more soul recovery, join us for the Recover your Soul bonus podcast for Patreon members and Apple podcast subscribers, where I interview amazing people sharing soul recovery tips for us and also do spiritual book studies. You can also find daily inspiration on Facebook and Instagram and join our private Facebook community. Visit the website for more information, links and registration for everything. Back to the episode, which I think is actually cute, because I bought the Audible of Just Let Him by Mel Robbins, because you and I both love Mel Robbins and you started listening to it when we were in California and you went and drove down to go surf with Bodhi, and it reflects so much of what Soul Recovery offers.

Rich Harrison: 22:21

So tell me a little bit about what you felt about the Just Let Him. It just made so much sense it tied in I mean it just made so much sense, it tied in.

Rich Harrison: 22:44

I mean, you and I had conversations again to give ourselves credit. We had light conversations about going there to occur, allowing some chaos to go off the rails, and just try to be a solid person in the mix and a good influence. And sometimes less is more, the less you do the better. We were just there for them. And if people could realize that trick, that angle, that hack, just be there. You don't have to fix it, you don't have to engage the chaos and I think that's what sobriety and soul recovery strengthens in a person is the ability to support without overacting.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 23:35

Right Detachment, the healthy detachment. You know it's interesting because I've been looking at that picture of us when we were the same age, that Alex and Lexi are, with Alex as a little baby, right, and it's this hysterical 28-year-old picture of these two young people with horrible haircuts.

Rich Harrison: 23:56

Horrible haircut photo.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 23:57

Horrible haircut photo like an Olin Mills or something like that or. Sears or something.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 24:02

Yes perfect and this little baby sitting, it's just such a hokey picture and it just seems like forever ago. And then here we have our own children that are at that phase in their life, and how much I want to impart upon them this wisdom. And, of course, the main thing that I want is I want to save them from having to go through some of the hardships that we went through. And yet I have more and more clarity all the time that those challenges, that those hardships, that those pieces are what build us into our character of who we are.

Rich Harrison: 24:37

That's living a real life. So, don't take it away from somebody.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 24:40

So don't take it away from somebody. I often say that the success that we have, you do a reference of the past and I think you're getting healthier and healthier about not judging the difference but having the reference from a healthier place, because I do think that sometimes you have to have a touchback, but sometimes I've shared with you the feedback that if you say I like you so much now, you're so much better than you used to be.

Rich Harrison: 25:09

That's a family joke between you and me. That's a family joke where I'm like.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 25:12

you don't have to say I'm so much better than I used to be, but we are talking about all of our successes, so like, how do you allow yourself to be really present in what is?

Rev Rachel Harrison: 25:24

and maybe that reflection is like I'm so grateful that we're here now, but at the same time, it is the past that creates who we are, and so if I am always reflecting on, like how painful it was, I'm within all of us. That is really beautiful and it does include some of the sticky stuff resurfacing, but because we're all looking at it from a more healed perspective, it doesn't stay. It's more like the sticky stuff comes up to be revealed and to be healed. But we are each responsible on our own journey to decide how we are individually going to do that. And the more that I let go of the boys and how they're doing it and I let go of you and how you're doing it, the more we are actually all stepping into the healing in our own way, if we so choose.

Rich Harrison: 26:29

I have a thought I'm hoping I can articulate which relates to good old Eckhart Tolle and the Power of Now, which is, I think the error is falling into your mind and body and the emotion of your past body and dealing with something in the present versus knowing, relaxing into everything you've learned, that is, in you, in the now, and acting on it from the now of the person you've become. And the slippery slope is we can just go up and be in our past body, or call it your pain body, which is also an Eckhart term, and approach it from there, even partially. It's hard to explain, right, but it's a beautiful thing when you don't pull your pain body or your victim story or anything, any of the pain. You don't pull it forward from the past, you just all you do is automatically have what you learned from that in the now and then approach whatever's happening from a place of love and new understanding and learned, learned tools.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 27:44

Exactly. I mean, that's what soul recovery process teaches. Is that those old beliefs, those old stories, those old patterns, until we recognize them, you can't transverse them into new ways of being, but they're there to give you something.

Rich Harrison: 27:58

It's information to be transmuted to now for all its best parts, not old pain.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 28:06

Right, yeah. So then, one of my awarenesses that I had in this past trip is that reminder again that I have that I so want to save my children from any pain, any difficulty. I don't want it to be hard for them. I had this fairy tale of what having a baby would be like.

Rich Harrison: 28:29

That wasn't exactly Lexi's experience.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 28:32

No. And then bless her little heart. She had a hard delivery and then Lexi, I love you.

Rich Harrison: 28:37

Trooper, Shout out to you so beautifully tough.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 28:41

Yeah, no, that was.

Rich Harrison: 28:45

She's a powerhouse.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 28:46

You guys were great, they did a beautiful job, and so then I came home and I've had a week at and our boy Alex you guys were great cultivated and created and worked hard for and created a safety and a peace and a kindness to each other and a routine that is an oasis. It's a place where we can come and really reset, so that you can go out in the world and have it be complex and that we can be a rock for each other and that we are each other's safe place. And I think that's what we always wanted in the first place and we did it.

Rich Harrison: 29:34

Yeah, thanks for saying that, because you can get so into your routine that you're taking little things for granted and we're so blessed and I'm so grateful to. Every time I come through my front door, I'm just, I'm home and it's a beautiful thing. Every time I come through my front door, I'm home and it's a beautiful thing.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 29:49

That's what the journey is about. If you are in a relationship, it's the greatest spiritual sandpaper that you can have. To get to the polish, To get to the vows that we made you know, I was doing a wedding for somebody and I pulled out our vows and their vows were very much around like being super connected and everything was together and I went back and read our vows and our vows were really about individuality.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 30:29

Turns out, you know about us keeping ourselves and walking along each other's paths, but not on the same path. You know, drink from good build, good Jill, good Braun, whatever his name is. Anyway, drink from the same cup, but you know the separate cups.

Rich Harrison: 30:44

Yeah.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 30:44

And I thought you know that's wild, that if you really look at what we said in our vows to each other, it was this individuation, and I think that's the place where I'm grateful for us because we have put, I think, more energy than we did before on our individual growth alongside each other and in that it's actually bringing us together.

Rich Harrison: 31:11

In between we got knotted up in the codependency and fixing each other and I want to raise the kids like this oh well, no, that's not how you do it. All that stuff which is life. Again, if somebody was trying to fix us and telling us, oh, you're doing it wrong, that would have just added to the mess. So in between it got really messy for us. But here we are at the bookends and it's a really wonderful reflection of the beginning to now that they're lining up.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 31:45

And it doesn't mean there won't be grit.

Rich Harrison: 31:47

Of course there's more to come. I'm warning you, Rach, there's more to come, but we'll be better for it, yeah.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 31:55

I really recognize how resistant I've been to the grit and now I have a different relationship with it.

Rich Harrison: 32:02

You've gotten grittier in a very beautiful way.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 32:05

Well, thank you If that makes any sense.

Rich Harrison: 32:07

Thank you, makes sense to me.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 32:14

And we're in a new chapter. I mean, ultimately, I really reflected on having our oldest child have a child, and looking at those pictures of myself with my silver hair and crow's feet, eyes, and you just go, wow, we really are at this phase in life, that's this whole other chapter, are at this phase in life, that's this whole other chapter.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 32:29

But it's a beautiful chapter because it's really where we get to reap the rewards of all of the complex nature of what it is to be alive, and we've learned some of the really hard lessons so that we can be present in a way that allows us to kind of really flourish in who we're here to be.

Rich Harrison: 32:48

Wherever you're at, whatever station, whatever age, just be good to yourself and accept where you're at. I mean, that's kind of what I'm trying to do, and it's not. I'm in a place I want everybody to know. That's not exactly easy this age I'm at Late 50s. I find it challenging. I'm hoping there's, with all the work, I'll get to the, the sunset of the six, of the, the decade of my sixties, and just really be in place where I'm at. And, um, I just want to send that out to everybody that listens to your podcast. You know, be good to yourself wherever you're at, and that includes hard times and the best of times.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 33:29

Yeah, beautifully said. We're not even going to go into all that today, but I love that you brought that out, because it's not like it's peaches and roses every single day. We're actually walking through changes in health, changes in physical fitness, changes in job, you know, like having kids, have kids, looking at the political situation, parents who are aging I mean there's a lot of stuff going on, but instead of drowning it away in drinks, which is what we used to do, and then fighting and being incredibly miserable, we're really just being present in it and there's a lot of peace in this space.

Rich Harrison: 34:08

And I can remember being newly recovered or newly sober and all of those things you just mentioned, because that was a really solid list. That was very realistic. It just feels like it hits you in the chest, like a boulder hitting you in the chest because you've been numbing it for so long. You've had this system of intoxication to numb and I've had it forever and when I was first sober it was like a panic attack. Just life hitting me in the chest was like a panic attack. It takes a while, but that's what goes away slowly and beautiful things fill in, which we've talked about through this podcast, and you get to a peaceful place.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 34:50

Well, thank you for coming on and sharing a more Rachel and Rich life marriage experience and as we move into the next chapter and I appreciate the work that you've been doing and being my rock- my pleasure, love you I love you too.

Rev Rachel Harrison: 35:05

Until next time, Namaste. Pleasure Love you. I love you too. Until next time, Namaste. Thank you for listening and I hope that that helps support your soul recovery process. Just a reminder that every Friday is the recover your soul bonus podcast. This podcast is for Patreon members and Apple podcast subscribers and not only do you get an incredible interview or book study that comes with being part of that community, but your subscribing helps support this podcast and the Recover your Soul community. If you want to listen to those bonus episodes but can't subscribe right now, do know that you can be a free Patreon member and have access for limited time to new episodes. Visit the website RecoverYourSoulnet or check out the show links below for coupons and information for upcoming events. I thank you for sharing this podcast with your friends and family. I thank you for giving it five stars, and the reviews that are left bring tears to my eyes. I am honored to be part of your life. Together we can do the work that will recover your soul.